DUONG: I think as guys, they think that women are going to love the same way that they do so the more time they spend the more they invest. It's the complete opposite for girls. The more time you spend, the more energy you spend, the more you invest, the less she respects you, the less she starts to value you, the less she starts to compare you to the guy she spent five minutes with or whatever.
So it's very interesting how men and women love. It's completely different. Same thing with how they communicate. We're just different and I think society is trying to tell us that, you know, we're all the same and we're all equal and you know, we... They do love you and it's just like bro actually, girls will just literally try to, the girls are more thinking about sex than you are and it's fucking crazy what girls think about sex way more than dudes. And if you're on the other end of the spectrum when you are that alpha you will see it, like these girls are just here to fuck.
TOMASSI: You will understand.
DUONG: Yeah, it's hard to explain it unless you're on the other side because most guys have been on the one side where they're putting all the effort in and trying to have sex and there's... if you're on the other spectrum, we're saying you don't have to do shit. You can be the worst human being ever and people just do whatever to sleep with you. So it's very interesting. And I think it's like that's like a whole red pill in itself for guys to just swallow it. It's like holy shit like I am an asshole and these girls are fucking in love with me. It's hilarious, bro.
DUONG: Yeah, we're living in like the peak time in society where women are at their worst to where basically women are allowed to be at their worst and society kind of oh yeah. Promotions to be their worst like the I've never like you said last 100 years. When we're not like you hear like these crazy fucking stories of girls and with like a bunch of dudes going back to her boyfriend and then going back out after she fucks him. It's just like crazy fucking shit. That's like, I guarantee, in the last 100 years you do not heard you like that even like prostitutes were not doing that type of shit. These girls are doing like casually in college like what the fuck.
So it just shows like holy fuck we're at like the peak time in history where yeah, this is like the worst and it shows like you cannot you can't think of girls as these perfect little angels. They can be at times and they can also be this and it's just like they are a reflection of society and our society right now is super fucking weak. And it's very allowing of this behavior and it's actually rewarding of this behavior. It's not just like oh, we'll just let it happen. It's more of like we'll give you money on Only Fans if you do this shit. It's like what the fuck. So it just shows what women can do and it's like she might not fuck you over and take your kids, but she can.
TOMASSI: Yeah, it's not that every woman will, it's that every any woman can.
DUONG: Yeah, it's crazy bro.
TOMASSI: If a woman is making close to... six figures let's say, off of Only Fans or off of being a stripper, whatever. When you got a guy who is saying like, he wants, or just saying you gotta build yourself up, you gotta have more money, you got have more style and everything like that. You don't, the amount of effort and the amount of energy that a guy has to do to be able to earn that kind of money, to compete with that... And that's, no one is gonna, she's never going to get out of that industry until she's forced out of that industry. Only Fans? God knows when you're going to get forced out of something like that. But honestly, like when you see women being paid like that. The Justin Wallers of the world might be able to compete with that, but who else can compete with that?
The girl... I'm glad we did that back to back, because that one video of the girl that was before this one saying there's gonna be the guys who are gonna get fucked no matter what, they don't... matter if they have money or what, they're just hot and they want to have sex with them. Then there's the guys who have to earn it. It's earned pussy is what it is. It's value added. They're kind of like eh, they're not as fun in bed as you know the 4 1/2%-ers, but they gotta make more money. They gotta have value added. Imagine trying to have enough value added to beat $15,000 a week.
And that's why that's why I think women are really super frustrated with shit. Like they all well men ain't shit. Well, of course they're not. Men like the average guy is not making $15,500.
DUONG: When women are in positions of power, they tend to fuck over everybody, including themselves. So when you give women the power in any relationship dynamic, what's her choice? To disrespect you and start talking to other dudes. Does that help her or the guy? No. She's gonna lose the house. She's gonna lose the kids. And it's just gonna create a bunch of drama. No one wins and through any like relationship or that's why there's no women in positions of power. Because it doesn't exist. Like of course you guys might think there's CEOs or business owning women. No, dude. They're being managed by some dude. The girls on this podcast, they're being managed by some dude. They're not doing this all by themselves. There's always a guy in the picture who's helping them out and there's someone leading them. There's no such thing as woman leading anything. When women lead shit, they lead it into the fucking ground. Either relationships, the country, anything bro.
And so especially with this with these girls making all this money. They're fucking themselves over when they are choosing to make a bunch of money versus to be a quality person and a good human being and they choose money. They're fucking themselves over and they're fucking the other dudes over as well. And this is what happens when women are in power.
TOMASSI: Women are more educated right now. They make more money right now. And even if they're not making $15,000 a month and they're we're like, you brought this up. You said, well, women need to like find something more like I don't know, intrinsically inherently rewarding or find something... the want to be a mother, the want to be a good housewife whatever or: $15,000 a month, sell your pussy for $15 000 a month.
DUONG: Well, that's what happens if you remove God. Because when you remove God now what's the next thing you value? Money. Because the only thing that stops you from valuing money is God. Because a lot of people value money, this is guys and girls. When you lose perspective of God and how much you value God, you're gonna sell yourself for money.
TOMASSI: But here's the thing: I can be 22 years... Like all these girls... You've been on Whatever Podcast. These girls on Whatever Podcast they have well one of them said a nine body count or whatever. These girls are on Only Fans and they want to say well, you know what? I made a lot of money from the time I was 18 till I was 28 and guess what? I found God at 28 years old and now I'm a multi-millionaire.
DUONG: Hell no.
TOMASSI: Now I'm good, right? I stick the landing.
DUONG: But yeah, so they can say that but what's gonna still reward them is the guys who believe in that crap, the Christian trad dudes are like oh, she's changed, she's reverted like that red-haired bitch. Oh, she's different. Yeah, like bro. No, don't be a white knight. Don't save these hos and sadly a lot of Christian guys have that mindset. Oh, she's Christian now, so she's changed. Like bro, you're gonna learn the hard way really fucking quick.
TOMASSI: So I'm not gonna shit on your religion. I understand. I get it. I wrote a book on religion. I got it. But you do see how convenient that is. Like people get me they'll say well don't you well Rollo don't you think these girls could be sincere in their conversion to Christianity at 29 years old? You know yada yada and I'm like I'm not doubting their sincerity. I think they're probably 100% sincere about it. They would probably take a polygraph test and they, are you sincere about your new conversion to faith whatever? I'm sure they would pass a polygraph test. I'm not about sincerity, I'm about the convenience like the timing for this is like where was this fucking sincerity when you were 18 to 28 years old?
DUONG: I said on the podcast when we were with Michael and I even said in front of the girls like they're all talking about how they want to get married. I'm like be careful guys because these girls are gonna be a ho and then they're gonna want to get married and have kids. So don't fall for it. And then one of the girls was trying to get mad at me and the other girl, I forgot her name, the one who had a bunch of tattoos, she was like wait, no, he's actually right. Because I was a ho, I used to sleep with all these guys and now I want to have kids, I want to be a wife, you know. But now these guys don't want to take me seriously so he is right. And then all the girls you know they're all...
TOMASSI: I'm sure some youth pastor will wife you up just any minute now.
DUONG: Yeah, for sure bro, but yeah, I mean dude, but these guys are gonna learn the hard way that if these girls are not...
TOMASSI: Let me ask you this. Okay, this is just a hypothetical. Maybe it's a philosophical question. Do you think that if a girl goes through her ho phase right 18 to 28 years old party years whatever she goes through her ho phase right and then she has let's just say she's sincere about it. She says you know what I want to get right with God and I'm going to make all the guys that come after you know they're going to jump through some hoops and they're going to have to prove to me that they're you know, whatever. Do you think that if a woman has like say let's just round it off say a 30 body count in the last like from 18 to 28 right. And that predisposes her to not having a good, you know, according to statistics not having a good marriage
marital instability divorce blah blah blah all that stuff. Do you think that her conversion to Christianity would erase all of that?
DUONG: Fuck no. No, dude. No, it's on your criminal record for life.
TOMASSI: Well because that's because that's the mentality.
DUONG: Yeah, of these trad guys.
TOMASSI: Like I'm born again. I'm a new creature. I'm a new creation. So all that shit when I was fucking guys from 18 to 28 right, now you should not have anything... Why are you so concerned about body count? I'm, I have a new faith.
DUONG: Bro, I, that's their sales pitch. Yes, correct. And a lot of guys who don't know any better who don't experience that, they will hop straight into it. Christian, hardcore Christian guys. Oh, she's a Christian.
TOMASSI: Well, they have to. Because if they don't, then are you a real Christian? I mean, God's forgiven me, why can't you?
DUONG: Yeah, but I mean, but it's all shaming tactics, too. It's just a bunch of shaming from other Christian simps or religious, I mean, I'm not saying all Christian are simps. But bro, I've seen a lot and yeah.
TOMASSI: And then so my, I wrote about this in "Religion" is, you'll get that's a life plan, right. It's like I'm going to go through my ho phase, my party phase and I was so crazy in college and the hot guy in the foam cannon party in Cancun, you know in spring break. And then she gets to be 28, 29, 30, 31 years old, which by the way 30 years old, average age of first marriage. And then wants to do things the right, that's why I call it the epiphany phase. It's like when women want to get right with God. They want to do things different. They want to find a nice guy and settle down and it's usually because on some level of consciousness, they recognize that they can't compete at the same level in the sexual marketplace that they could before and they want to have a long-term commitment. They want to have a guy who's gonna, they can have babies with and they want to have you know, go forward into you know and then of course for guys, average age of first marriage in the United States for women is 30, for men it's 32 right now. It used to be even younger than that.
But that's, yeah, it's a buzzer-beater. Thanks. But before buzzer-beater, it was called sticking the landing. Okay. That's what Dalrock used to call it. It's like have all that you know go through all that party phase and then have this miraculous religious conversion and then now she's a new creation and now she's going to move on right and do that, which is exactly what that guy in that last video was saying that the guys in the manosphere are doing. It's exactly a reflection of that.
And also I should also point this out: It is... and I put this up so I could grab it today... My favorite quote from Sheryl Sandberg:
When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.
By the way, Sheryl Sandberg used to be CEO of Facebook and that was from her book from 2014 called Lean In. Exactly what the guy in the video was saying that the guys in the manosphere...
DUONG: If girls can have their cake and eat it too, they will. If they can have a guy friend while having a boyfriend, they will. If they can have simps paying them money while having a guy to take them seriously, they will. If they can sleep with a bunch of dudes and they eventually get cucked by a dude and have kids with a dude, they will. Girls, if they have the opportunity have their cake and eat it too, they will, just not with me.
Like, I mean, I'll be super open honest and like every girl watching this will know it's like bro, like you guys can have fun. You guys can go sleep around. You guys do whatever the fuck you want. You're gonna do it anyway. It's just the fact that I'm not gonna be there to reward that behavior. And I think I think if more guys have that mindset, I think we'd be a little bit better off when it comes to this this whole simping pandemic and these girls acting this way.
TOMASSI: How did you get canceled?
DUONG: When did I get canceled? Like dude, the first like six months of me starting creating content and stuff. And I talked about body count.
TOMASSI: On what platform though?
DUONG: I got deleted off TikTok, fucking... Dude, well, my cancellation is different. So I got banned off TikTok, got banned on Instagram, got by banned on youtube. But they had like cops come to my house. I got swatted. I wasn't, they weren't letting me graduate high school either.
TOMASSI: Jesus! Really?
DUONG: Yeah, bro. It was fucking, they weren't...
TOMASSI: They wouldn't give you a diploma, or they wouldn't let you walk?
DUONG: Yeah, or give me my fucking diploma either and so it was super funny because um, it was like a month before we were supposed to graduate high school and um, you know, I pulled up and I used to wear these sunglasses in all my videos of me pulling bitches. It was like these pit vipers. And so I was kind of known for that and so on graduation day I pulled up to graduation with these pit vipers and everyone was like what the fuck? This kid's supposed to be canceled and I was just you know having fun fucking around with the boys. But it was it was a pretty funny experience.
My family was there. My family's always been super supportive of me, even when I was getting canceled. You know, they're on my side and my team. But yeah, they were trying to fuck over my family, too, leak my family's info, uh, leak my parents' work, a bunch of crazy shit. Just because I was talking about body count and on the video I was just saying, you know how men and women are valued, which is you know women are born with value. They're born with guys wanting them right off the bat, right? And women are valued based upon their ethics and their morals. So when they're a baby, they already have 100% ethics and morals, right. And over time, the more that they do promiscuous stuff, they drink, they smoke, they get tattoos, their value lowers because their ethics and they're judged based upon their ethics and the morals.
And it stops for guys. Guys are born with zero value. We're born with nothing because we're valued based upon what we can provide, our resources, our success, our power. So we're born with zero value, but over time we can make that grow. And if we don't make that grow, we stay a slave forever. We stay invisible. So that's the paradigm. That's what's different is guys have the ability to grow. And they can also lose it too.
And for women, they can either stay the same at 100% max level, you know being wanted or they can they can go down. And sadly that can't really be changed. Unless the guys are taught...
TOMASSI: Like I always say: Men must become and women just are.
DUONG: Yes, correct. So that's what I talked about. And I said whore, and they got mad. I said whore in the video and they got mad.
TOMASSI: Wow, you got banned for saying whore. It's in the English language. It's in the dictionary.
DUONG: Yeah, it's a harsh word, but you know it gets views I guess. It triggers people. I think it's kind of what you need. You kinda need to hit people.
TOMASSI: How did you how did you snap back from that?
DUONG: Yeah, so I made I made a fake apology video actually. And I was like, they're all on Instagram, we want him to say sorry, all my principles. And all these cops are saying, you just have to make an apology, just make an apology and everything will go away. And I was like, okay, sure. So I made a fake apology. I was like, hey, I just wanted to say sorry for absolutely fucking nothing...
TOMASSI: I just want to tell all you whores, I'm sorry... For not telling you sooner!
DUONG: And so I just doubled down. I doubled down and you know what's funny is all the girls who were trying to cancel me, the girls that want to sleep with me, but I curved them, girls that I already slept with in the past and they were trying to be salty and shit. So super funny is like all these girls I already slept with, but the simps who were watching the cancellation, they were like, this guy's a toxic asshole because this is what the girls are posting on their stories from high school. And they're thinking like, they're thinking that they're gonna get pussy. They're like, oh if I repost this guy... Yeah, I'm like bro, she still won't fuck you and actually that's when Stirling and I started talking because I did a podcast on it shortly after and you know, we were talking about it because it's super funny, but yeah, that's what happened and um, you know, I saw like the texts and stuff in this and these of me with these girls smashing, the same girls who were trying to cancel me. I'm like bro, it's hilarious and it just shows girls are societal creatures and they will do whatever to get the vote in the tribe. And the tribe was the high school. What was going on was I was the enemy and so everyone's flipping on me including the beta male simps because they have the same hive mindset because they can't survive on their own. That's just how they think. And any guy who knows better and any guy who knows me personally, they're just fucking laughing. And that shit was hilarious. But yeah, that's kind of how I got canceled and that was the story.